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rokkitboyz
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 Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:42 pm Post subject: A question of collecting |
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Hi all,
Been into drinking Whisky for a while and have slowly accumulated a modest collection. Always keen to learn more so I wanted to put out a question to see peoples opinion's on the subject of whisky as investment in terms of collecting an annual release.
Currently the 'not to be drunk' collection of mine consists of a large amount of 'limited edition' bottle designs by Johnnie Walker and the GoT 8 bottle collection. I'm a big fan of Macallan and this is where my question starts. Given that we are at the start of a new decade for releases, which annual bottle release in your opinion would bring the best return/hold its value/worth collecting?
Rare Cask Batch Release
18yr Double Cask Annual Release
18yr Sherry Cask Annual Release
18yr Triple Cask Annual Release
Interested to see the answers.
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lincoln imp
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Joined: 23 Dec 2007
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Location: Lincolnshire England
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: A question of collecting |
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| rokkitboyz wrote: | Hi all,
Been into drinking Whisky for a while and have slowly accumulated a modest collection. Always keen to learn more so I wanted to put out a question to see peoples opinion's on the subject of whisky as investment in terms of collecting an annual release.
Currently the 'not to be drunk' collection of mine consists of a large amount of 'limited edition' bottle designs by Johnnie Walker and the GoT 8 bottle collection. I'm a big fan of Macallan and this is where my question starts. Given that we are at the start of a new decade for releases, which annual bottle release in your opinion would bring the best return/hold its value/worth collecting?
Rare Cask Batch Release
18yr Double Cask Annual Release
18yr Sherry Cask Annual Release
18yr Triple Cask Annual Release
Interested to see the answers.
Thanks in advance |
A polite question from me but waht is the point of having a collection you are never going to drink, why do you bother, out of interest?
Are you more of an investor than a drinker?
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Fightingirish
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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Collectors drive me nuts.
Buy it and drink it.
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TheWM
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Why is the GOT collection’not to be drunk’?
I’m fairly sure I could drink any bottle and replace it fairly immediately 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
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Southcoast Boy
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Got to admit I bought some of the Game of thrones bottles, but would happily get rid of them for half the price I paid for them.
They are complete and utter shelf fodder. Good luck with those gathering dust and never returning any of your hard earned.
By the time you think you might make a buck or two on them people will be saying 'game of who'?
Diageo are the only winners there my friend. |
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davidbe
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| Southcoast Boy wrote: |
They are complete and utter shelf fodder. |
I believe the technical term is 'shelf turd' |
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Nimo
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I assume you are asking not as a collector but an investor, I doubt any GoT bottlings will give much of a return in even the next 20 years as there were so many of them available, I scooped up quite a few bottles when they were significantly reduced in price recently, these will all be drunk.
Macallan is always going to be collectable, and any Macallan bottling that is a vintage, annual or limited release will always be an investment, whether the whisky in the bottle is any good doesn't seem to have anything to do with the value these days. |
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Jimny14
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My wife and I were recently discussing maybe buying some whisky as an investment/ something interesting to do. We have made our decision on what to buy as an investment mainly on what we like to drink and a bit of a sentimental attachment to the distillery.
We picked our price bracket and chosen what to put aside as investment/later drinking. We also bought a bottle for the drinks cabinet for special occasions.
I dont see the point in giving house room to something that I dont want to drink.
Our plan is to wait until our daughter is 21 (she's just turned 3) and see if there has been any growth in our whisky collection. If there is some we may continue, or pass it on as a gift to our daughter. If not it's getting opened and drunk.
If you'd like to do similar try and get a sample of each, find your favourite and invest in that. If there isn't any appreciable growth you've got enough whisky to keep you busy for the foreseeable, if there is please do me a favour, sell your investment and out of some of the money buy a decent bottle to drink in celebration. |
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arqueturus
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| None of those bottles interest me in fairness but I can certainly get behind having pretty bottles in a set with some potential investment for the future. |
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lincoln imp
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Location: Lincolnshire England
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Nimo wrote: | I assume you are asking not as a collector but an investor, I doubt any GoT bottlings will give much of a return in even the next 20 years as there were so many of them available, I scooped up quite a few bottles when they were significantly reduced in price recently, these will all be drunk.
Macallan is always going to be collectable, and any Macallan bottling that is a vintage, annual or limited release will always be an investment, whether the whisky in the bottle is any good doesn't seem to have anything to do with the value these days. |
But why is it still so collectable?
Old Macallan can be great, but still it is overrated in many quarters, the reason any Macallan is still collectable is because of those old glories they used to put out and the name Macallan is associated with quality regardless of what it is.
But that was way back and thhe Macallan of the last 20 years has been in the main poor quality in comparision and some of it has been rubbish.
Their 18 year sherry is about £300 which is an utter joke considering what you get. The 25 year is around £1500, for that money is should be like angels *** but while not being bad is far from great,
I think if more people stopped believing the hollow claims of quality that were earned in another time and actually drunk the stuff then they would realise that much of the fodder they put out is below parr and sub standard connsidering what they ask you to pay for it.
Why buy mediocre whisky at an inflated price?
I agree with other people buy what you like to drink, if you have no concept of what your are collecting tastes like why bother?
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arqueturus
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| lincoln imp wrote: | | Nimo wrote: | I assume you are asking not as a collector but an investor, I doubt any GoT bottlings will give much of a return in even the next 20 years as there were so many of them available, I scooped up quite a few bottles when they were significantly reduced in price recently, these will all be drunk.
Macallan is always going to be collectable, and any Macallan bottling that is a vintage, annual or limited release will always be an investment, whether the whisky in the bottle is any good doesn't seem to have anything to do with the value these days. |
But why is it still so collectable?
Old Macallan can be great, but still it is overrated in many quarters, the reason any Macallan is still collectable is because of those old glories they used to put out and the name Macallan is associated with quality regardless of what it is.
But that was way back and thhe Macallan of the last 20 years has been in the main poor quality in comparision and some of it has been rubbish.
Their 18 year sherry is about £300 which is an utter joke considering what you get. The 25 year is around £1500, for that money is should be like angels *** but while not being bad is far from great,
I think if more people stopped believing the hollow claims of quality that were earned in another time and actually drunk the stuff then they would realise that much of the fodder they put out is below parr and sub standard connsidering what they ask you to pay for it.
Why buy mediocre whisky at an inflated price?
I agree with other people buy what you like to drink, if you have no concept of what your are collecting tastes like why bother? |
I see you constantly asking these questions Lincoln, I also see your tasting notes on some phenomenal hard to find whisky, you enjoy drinking the rarer.
Broadly, I'm in agreement with you about flipping but without being so partisan, it's a free market after all.
If you don't understand why it's collectable, then you don't understand collecting. I say this as someone who doesn't collect whisky or buy this for investment. People collect spoons, stamps, Barbie dolls, Stuffed animals. There's not much logic to it other than liking things.
However, the main driver for collecting Macallan is investment. I'm not entirely sure how but they seem to have cornered the market in this area. The stuff is phenominally popular in Asia where owning Whisky just because it is expensive is a status symbol (pretty much the reason JW Blue exists too), it's got f all to do with the quality of the liquid, I've seen Macallan 25 drank wth lots of ice ina rocks glass. Cognac is very popular in the China for similar reasons.
My partner works (worked!) in Duty Free so I get to understand the buying habits of collectors. All us Whisky snobs can sneer at random old disillilery x releases in posh boxes for crazy prices with mediocre liquid in them at 40% but when you see a traveller come through and buy 6 of them you relaise why they exist and it's got nothing to with the quality of the liquid of the value for money factor.
This is not going to change anytime soon, collectors will collect, flippers will flp to take advantage of collectors collecting or investors investing. |
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lincoln imp
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| arqueturus wrote: | | lincoln imp wrote: | | Nimo wrote: | I assume you are asking not as a collector but an investor, I doubt any GoT bottlings will give much of a return in even the next 20 years as there were so many of them available, I scooped up quite a few bottles when they were significantly reduced in price recently, these will all be drunk.
Macallan is always going to be collectable, and any Macallan bottling that is a vintage, annual or limited release will always be an investment, whether the whisky in the bottle is any good doesn't seem to have anything to do with the value these days. |
But why is it still so collectable?
Old Macallan can be great, but still it is overrated in many quarters, the reason any Macallan is still collectable is because of those old glories they used to put out and the name Macallan is associated with quality regardless of what it is.
But that was way back and thhe Macallan of the last 20 years has been in the main poor quality in comparision and some of it has been rubbish.
Their 18 year sherry is about £300 which is an utter joke considering what you get. The 25 year is around £1500, for that money is should be like angels *** but while not being bad is far from great,
I think if more people stopped believing the hollow claims of quality that were earned in another time and actually drunk the stuff then they would realise that much of the fodder they put out is below parr and sub standard connsidering what they ask you to pay for it.
Why buy mediocre whisky at an inflated price?
I agree with other people buy what you like to drink, if you have no concept of what your are collecting tastes like why bother? |
I see you constantly asking these questions Lincoln, I also see your tasting notes on some phenomenal hard to find whisky, you enjoy drinking the rarer.
Broadly, I'm in agreement with you about flipping but without being so partisan, it's a free market after all.
If you don't understand why it's collectable, then you don't understand collecting. I say this as someone who doesn't collect whisky or buy this for investment. People collect spoons, stamps, Barbie dolls, Stuffed animals. There's not much logic to it other than liking things.
However, the main driver for collecting Macallan is investment. I'm not entirely sure how but they seem to have cornered the market in this area. The stuff is phenominally popular in Asia where owning Whisky just because it is expensive is a status symbol (pretty much the reason JW Blue exists too), it's got f all to do with the quality of the liquid, I've seen Macallan 25 drank wth lots of ice ina rocks glass. Cognac is very popular in the China for similar reasons.
My partner works (worked!) in Duty Free so I get to understand the buying habits of collectors. All us Whisky snobs can sneer at random old disillilery x releases in posh boxes for crazy prices with mediocre liquid in them at 40% but when you see a traveller come through and buy 6 of them you relaise why they exist and it's got nothing to with the quality of the liquid of the value for money factor.
This is not going to change anytime soon, collectors will collect, flippers will flp to take advantage of collectors collecting or investors investing. |
Nearly all your points are correct I do not disagree with most of them regarding the far East markets and sadly you are right about other points like flipping.and markets etc.
The only thing I would disagree with is the term whisky snobs, where I come from it means people are snobby about only drinking certain brands or only drinking single malts, or only drinking expensive whisky, luckily I will drink anything at any price and I love blended whisky.
You also cannot clump all these people together as to reasons why they do it and you are correct I don`t like the practice of flipping.
I remember driving past Macallan, I think it was August 2017when a new release was out and people had parked cars everywhere, there were arguments and I am told, and I read later people almost came to blows, hell there was even a police presence when I drove past, how ridiculous is that?.
Anyway I just thought I do not want to be associated with something like that , a buch of flippers making a sorry spectacle of themselves.
Within a week or two there were hundreds at on line auctions, sorry I cannot remember which bottle it was.
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Coco33
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| Think it was the Genesis people went loopy for......remember hearing The place was under siege haha |
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arqueturus
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| Quote: | Nearly all your points are correct I do not disagree with most of them regarding the far East markets and sadly you are right about other points like flipping.and markets etc.
The only thing I would disagree with is the term whisky snobs, where I come from it means people are snobby about only drinking certain brands or only drinking single malts, or only drinking expensive whisky, luckily I will drink anything at any price and I love blended whisky.
You also cannot clump all these people together as to reasons why they do it and you are correct I don`t like the practice of flipping.
I remember driving past Macallan, I think it was August 2017when a new release was out and people had parked cars everywhere, there were arguments and I am told, and I read later people almost came to blows, hell there was even a police presence when I drove past, how ridiculous is that?.
Anyway I just thought I do not want to be associated with something like that , a buch of flippers making a sorry spectacle of themselves.
Within a week or two there were hundreds at on line auctions, sorry I cannot remember which bottle it was. |
Valid points there, no doubt about it.The genesis release is great example of it taken to extremes.
When I say snobs I mean anyone that thinks there is a right way to either do, drink, have whisky. You are totally coreect about that in regard to blended whisky as it's considered 'not proper whisky'. I've seen many instances of 40% as being seen as over diluted (highly variable) by many and that nothing other than single cask at cask strength is proper whisky.
The key point I'm making (and I think we actually agree on this) is that whisky is high subjective to each drinker but in my opinion that must extend to Branch and Packaging too as that's part of the experience of many people and the reason why they collect, are willing to pay the price for what may or may not be mediocre or over priced liquid.
Myself, I just have to shrug my shoulders and move on, there is always more whisky to choose from.
Lincoln, would you like to see 50ml releases so you could try some of these or would you still bauk at the cost if it was proportional? |
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lincoln imp
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| arqueturus wrote: | | Quote: | Nearly all your points are correct I do not disagree with most of them regarding the far East markets and sadly you are right about other points like flipping.and markets etc.
The only thing I would disagree with is the term whisky snobs, where I come from it means people are snobby about only drinking certain brands or only drinking single malts, or only drinking expensive whisky, luckily I will drink anything at any price and I love blended whisky.
You also cannot clump all these people together as to reasons why they do it and you are correct I don`t like the practice of flipping.
I remember driving past Macallan, I think it was August 2017when a new release was out and people had parked cars everywhere, there were arguments and I am told, and I read later people almost came to blows, hell there was even a police presence when I drove past, how ridiculous is that?.
Anyway I just thought I do not want to be associated with something like that , a buch of flippers making a sorry spectacle of themselves.
Within a week or two there were hundreds at on line auctions, sorry I cannot remember which bottle it was. |
Valid points there, no doubt about it.The genesis release is great example of it taken to extremes.
When I say snobs I mean anyone that thinks there is a right way to either do, drink, have whisky. You are totally coreect about that in regard to blended whisky as it's considered 'not proper whisky'. I've seen many instances of 40% as being seen as over diluted (highly variable) by many and that nothing other than single cask at cask strength is proper whisky.
Myself, I just have to shrug my shoulders and move on, there is always more whisky to choose from.
Lincoln, would you like to see 50ml releases so you could try some of these or would you still bauk at the cost if it was proportional? |
I think it is a shame that some drinkers shy away from 40-43% whisky because they can miss out sometimes. Some of the original black label and brown label GM Connoisseurs choice whiskies can be superb and any whisky that shines at 40% just proves that the casks used were of excellent quallity.
Higher strength whisky, especially approaching 60% can sometimes mask shortcomings in cask quality or disgusie some os the wood if it has been left too long in the cask too long, at 40% you cannot mask anything like that. I actually like a whisky that is gentle and soothes your taste buds rather than massive peat or sherry
I think 5cl sample sizes is a good idea but I would only be interested if I thought the whisky was of good quality and the sort I like.
I have purchased samples of high end whisky before and yes you sometimes can pay heavily for the privilge but these days it is the only option many of us have.
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