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Ihasadram
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:40 am    Post subject: Whiskey Forgery Reply with quote

I've been amusing myself cloning some single malts. I've managed some fairly close forgeries of unpeated single malts using vodka and/or bourbon, etc, as a base, and adding a little sherry and/or port. For example, I've gotten close enough to Tobermory 15 that the local shortage does not phase me. However, I am not sure how to achieve a peated flavor. I'm aware of varieties of liquid smoke, but I'm not sure if any of those available are similar to peat smoke. Some varieties I can order are Mesquite, Hickory, and Applewood. Any idea which, if any if these might be reasonably close?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is difficult to say how they would taste when added to alcohol, the peat we find in our whisky is quite unique in each whisky so it depends which flavour of peat you are going for, if it was say a smoky BBQ flavour then perhaps Hickory could provide that.

If you come up with a recipe to reproduce Ardbeg for under £5 do let me know Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:26 pm    Post subject: home made whisky Reply with quote

I personally know several neighbours on the same street who make their own whisky/vodka/rum by using a biostill then adding various flavourings they purchase from places a far away as new zealand. I was a tad dubious about what it would taste like neat, seeing as it was weeks rather than years old & at 70%, but have to confess it was better than the gutrot id pre-imagined it to be. While not something to savour as you would with a good scotch, it would be hard to tell by someone given it with dry ginger or coke to know it wasnt the 'real thing' compared to bells or whatever other cheap blended crap you get, and at a couple of quid a bottle they all seem happy enough Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: home made whisky Reply with quote

WinBase wrote:
I personally know several neighbours on the same street who make their own whisky/vodka/rum by using a biostill ...


Is that legal?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My question is WHY ??????
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: home made whisky Reply with quote

bluepeter wrote:
WinBase wrote:
I personally know several neighbours on the same street who make their own whisky/vodka/rum by using a biostill ...


Is that legal?


No, not without a licence.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorren wrote:
My question is WHY ??????


I know. I've always thought that Speyside would make prime moonshine territory!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acksboy wrote:
sorren wrote:
My question is WHY ??????


I know. I've always thought that Speyside would make prime moonshine territory!


You'd hope that the locals knew what they were doing at least!

I've thought about this today and whilst my initial thoughts were along the *** lines - it did make me think that some distilleries do inject flavour and colour into their spirit and I've had at least one decent dram which had sherry put directly into their whiskey and it was pretty ace (in fact they also add vanilla - tangle ridge 10). So what's worse?

Personally I like a dram that's been made with full disclosure of what is being used so I can make an educated decision as to whether I want to get involved Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But that's not fake whisky..
in theory any sherried whisky or whisky matured in bourbon barrels has had some liquid added.. only virgin oak can be truly untainted.. but I just don't get the trying to make something that tastes like whisky.. or fake whisky..
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally agree - it's a bit vegetarian sausage. But some folks don't mind it...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorren wrote:
.... only virgin oak can be truly untainted..


Is even virgin oak whisky untainted? Surely the wood itself imparts some flavour, doesn't it? Wouldn't the only truly untainted whisky be kept in something like PTFE-lined stainless steel? (I'm not advocating doing that, just taking the argument to its logical extreme.)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheWM wrote:
I totally agree - it's a bit vegetarian sausage. But some folks don't mind it...


Well, there's a perfectly good reason why vegetarian sausages exist. They're for people who have an ethical objection to eating meat, but who grew up eating it and/or like the flavour and texture of sausages.

I'm guessing that the reason for fake whisky is either (a) financial - it's cheaper than the real thing, or (b) scientific curiosity. Given the OP's comment opening comment "I've been amusing myself ", I'd guess that the latter applies in this case.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: home made whisky Reply with quote

bluepeter wrote:
WinBase wrote:
I personally know several neighbours on the same street who make their own whisky/vodka/rum by using a biostill ...


Is that legal?


I think it's only illegal if you to publicly try sell it without the Vatman getting his share, or having the proper certification as a food/drink producer, but dont quote me on that !
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: home made whisky Reply with quote

WinBase wrote:
bluepeter wrote:
WinBase wrote:
I personally know several neighbours on the same street who make their own whisky/vodka/rum by using a biostill ...


Is that legal?


I think it's only illegal if you to publicly try sell it without the Vatman getting his share, or having the proper certification as a food/drink producer, but dont quote me on that !


I've done a little digging since I asked the question yesterday. Acksboy's earlier response appears to be correct. There's a lot of guff about licencing on the GOV.UK web site. In practical terms, the requirements for obtaining a licence are too onerous to make it practicable legally to distil alcohol on a domestic scale.

According to Excise Notice 39 ( http://tinyurl.com/zkoj8ak ), "Excise duty is chargeable when spirits have been distilled, or manufactured in any other way. It is not normally payable until the spirits are taken out of warehouse". So duty is payable even if the product is not sold. It will apply even if taken out of the warehouse for personal consumption.

I wonder if your neighbours have licences? Do they have the required security measures? And tax warehouses? If not, they ought to be reported to the appropriate authorities - if only for your own safety. Domestic distillation can be dangerous. (A few years ago, five Lithuanians blew themselves up doing it on a semi-industrial scale. See, for example, the report at http://tinyurl.com/jyu5y4r .)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those you curious as to my particular motivation, I am having a great deal of difficulty obtaining Tobermory 15. There was a time when it was plentiful, but it has been scarce for over a year now. For example, I waited several weeks for a shipment to come in, and got there the day of, only to learn someone else beat me there and bought all three cases. I've placed orders several times, and I've only received one bottle to date. So I originally tried adding a bit of sherry to other unpeated scotches, but there was always too much oak/spice in those scotches. I eventually tried vodka as the base, and got very close by adding a little port along with the sherry. The experience, however, has led to a desire to experiment. In particular, I would like to try to clone Lagavulin 16, which has also become difficult to obtain the past few months.
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