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jwbassman Master Of Malts

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Bookie Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it "Transparency" or "Marketing", if they made the info available on all bottling's such as the Black Art you mention then it is transparency. |
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sorren Master Of Malts


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| This has been going on for some time, Compass box kind off started it all off with the release of information on two of thier bottles, Bruichladdich jumped on board to give support and so have a few others, it really does not matter if it is marketing or not, what does matter is we ( the consumer ) gets the information. What everyone is trying to get is the right to declare any information they want. Compass box released the age and amounts of each whisky in the blend, Glenrothes released the vintages that made up one of the releases, this is the information I want and they wanted to release, but this was against the SWA rules.. BACK THE TRANSPARACY ARGUMENT.. |
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jwbassman Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Bookie wrote: | | Is it "Transparency" or "Marketing", if they made the info available on all bottling's such as the Black Art you mention then it is transparency. |
Inevitably as with most things there will be an element of marketing involved as it gets people like us talking about their product.
With a series like Black Art, is the mystery not part of the charm? Would we actually lose something if there was full disclosure?
That said, I do like to know what I'm drinking and I find it fasinating to actually see what has gone into a product like the Classic Laddie. I found a couple of different codes and it's very interesting to see the difference in the recipes between the batches.
I think that if as consumers we can make a better educated decision about what we buy that must be a good thing. Stands to reason that the only people who don't like the idea of disclosing what constitues their products must have something to hide... |
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Kray Master Of Malts

Joined: 15 Mar 2010 Posts: 362 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| jwbassman wrote: | | With a series like Black Art, is the mystery not part of the charm? Would we actually lose something if there was full disclosure? |
Yes a big chunk off the price tag  |
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TheWM Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Brilliant move and should be mandatory for all producers to do. This is what those at the SWA should be pushing for rather than beating up smaller producers for assisting consumers in how to spend their money wisely. |
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jwbassman Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Kray wrote: | | jwbassman wrote: | | With a series like Black Art, is the mystery not part of the charm? Would we actually lose something if there was full disclosure? |
Yes a big chunk off the price tag  |
Maybe, or it might help justify the price  |
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Forbes Double Malt Member

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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I am all for full transparency but selective transparency no matter how welcome is probably done for marketing reasons IMO. |
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opelfruit Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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We have to be a little bit careful here as Joe Public (the 95% share of the market, who drink blends or entry level whisky from supermarkets only) dosent really understand age statements at the best of time, let alone when we start slicing up blends that had a wide range of aged whisky in them.
How much of what age determines what price? I certainly don't know. I'd guess that if a blend had 10% 30yo Ardbeg in it and one has 10% 30yo Glenfarclas then the first would be more expensive than the 2nd, possibly, but then it depends on the makeup of the other whiskies. It's better than what we have at the moment, sure, but we need to be mindful of confusing people.
For the record, I'm all for it. I'd also like transparency to go as far as to ensure that single malt only contains malted barley and water (and yeast). No point bleating on about how natural your product is and showing a nice picture of a mountain or Loch on your website if you pump your single malt full of an added colourant........let us see what's in a whisky and let us see the actual whisky. _________________ "Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whisky is barely enough." |
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jwbassman Master Of Malts

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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| opelfruit wrote: | | We have to be a little bit careful here as Joe Public (the 95% share of the market, who drink blends or entry level whisky from supermarkets only) dosent really understand age statements at the best of time, let alone when we start slicing up blends that had a wide range of aged whisky in them. |
Agreed, but my understanding is that it's not about making it compulsory, so probably won't have any effect at this end of the market, rather that if a company choses to that they don't get penalised for doing so.
| opelfruit wrote: | | How much of what age determines what price? I certainly don't know. I'd guess that if a blend had 10% 30yo Ardbeg in it and one has 10% 30yo Glenfarclas then the first would be more expensive than the 2nd, possibly, but then it depends on the makeup of the other whiskies. It's better than what we have at the moment, sure, but we need to be mindful of confusing people. |
Another good point, I guess that if we get to this stage than it's down to the individual to decide based on the information presented if they think it's good value or not.
| opelfruit wrote: | | For the record, I'm all for it. I'd also like transparency to go as far as to ensure that single malt only contains malted barley and water (and yeast). No point bleating on about how natural your product is and showing a nice picture of a mountain or Loch on your website if you pump your single malt full of an added colourant........let us see what's in a whisky and let us see the actual whisky. |
Totally agree - it should be disclosed if any additional ingredients have been used, everything seems the wrong way round at the moment, in a much as you need to state that it's noon-chill filtered or natural colour, these things should be the norm and if colour is added or its chill filtered they should have to declare it. |
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jwbassman Master Of Malts

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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:02 am Post subject: |
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I found the reference code on my bottle of The Classic Laddie last night and it was interesting to see what has gone into it...
A good proportion of 1st fill bourbon barrels but also some 3rd and 4th fill sherry butts and a whole host of wine casks too - totally different to the other recipes I looked at yesterday, yet it's the same product.
Code is 13/148 if you guys want to have a look  |
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jwbassman Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Has anyone else looked up what's gone into their bottle of Bruichladdich? Any unusual, interesting or surprising inclusions? |
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