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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:17 pm    Post subject: Difference between peat and smoke flavors Reply with quote

Hi all,

in your opinion, what two bottles could I taste side by side to get a good feel for the difference between the peat flavor and the smoke flavor? [/img]
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between peat and smoke flavors Reply with quote

Rift485 wrote:
Hi all,

in your opinion, what two bottles could I taste side by side to get a good feel for the difference between the peat flavor and the smoke flavor? [/img]


Based on phenol levels, the 2 ( smoke and peat) usually go together like Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, Mutt and Jeff, Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. It's hard to consider one without the other.

"In most cases, some level of smoke from a peat-heated fire is introduced to the kiln to add phenols, a smoky aroma and flavour to the whisky. Some of the more intensely smoky malts have phenol levels between 25 and 50 parts per million (ppm). Islay malts have a reputation for being the most peaty. More subtle malts can have phenol levels of around 2-3 ppm".
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between peat and smoke flavors Reply with quote

Rift485 wrote:
Hi all,

in your opinion, what two bottles could I taste side by side to get a good feel for the difference between the peat flavor and the smoke flavor? [/img]



Lagavulin 16 - Smokey/ashtry like
Laphroaig 10 - Medicinal peat


However, both are from Islay and have the same type of peat. One is just very smokey and one is not.

To fully explore peat you can also compare an Islay to a peated mainland whisky as the peat on the mainland/Island (Talisker/Highland Park etc) are different from the peat you get in Islay. So a good peated Speysider vs an Islay.

I'd do:

Laphroaig 10
vs
BenRiach Curiositas 10

Both are 40% abv and 10 years old and filtered. It would be a good comparission between the Islay style of medicianl peat vs the mainland style of more earthy/smokey peat.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I compare it to a good cigar, the peat reminds me of tobacco and the smoke is well smoke.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between peat and smoke flavors Reply with quote

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Rift485 wrote:
Hi all,

Laphroaig 10
vs
BenRiach Curiositas 10



Thanks for the replies!

I don't see the Benriiach curiositas here in the states. Any other options for a peated mainland whisky to put up against the Laphroaig?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, that's a shame as it's a really good whisky for the price.

There are a few others but I'm a bit loathed to recommend them as I've not had them personally....others on here may be able to chip in on this;

Ardmore Traditional
anCnoc Flaughter

both carry no age statement and are peated Speysiders. The anCnoc more heavily so.


A fair comparrison would be maybe;

Laphaoig Quarter Cask
vs
Ardmore Traditional

Both are aged in quarter casks to some degree, do not carry an age statement, higher strength (48% vs 46%) and non-chill filtered.


They are also both owned by the same company (Beam, now Beam-Suntory ?).....as I say, I've not had the Ardmore though, so will see what others say.


Dalwhinnie 15 yo is also a very nice whisky. It's a highlander and has some smokiness to it, it doesn't state that it's peated and certainly isn't heavily so, but I assume there is some peating in the process - probably in the drying of the malted barley before it's turned into girst.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:13 am    Post subject: Re: Difference between peat and smoke flavors Reply with quote

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Rift485 wrote:
Hi all,

Laphroaig 10
vs
BenRiach Curiositas 10



Thanks for the replies!

I don't see the Benriiach curiositas here in the states. Any other options for a peated mainland whisky to put up against the Laphroaig?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, here are the options I have to compare in my current collection. Any thoughts on which would best exhibit peat and which would best exhibit smoke so I can test side by side?

Talisker 10
Talisker Storm

Laphraoig Quarter Barrel

Ardbeg 10

Caol Ila Distiller's Edition


I'm tasting the Storm vs the Ardbeg now and the flavors are almost night and day. The Ardbeg really has that medicinal edge to it (I think?) where the Talisker seems more evened out- less medicinal but still smoky (maybe?)

Thanks for the input!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will find more peat in the Laphroaig and Ardbeg out of your list, everyones personal taste will vary but i would say i find the Laphroaig more medicinal and more earthy peat smoke.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While Ardbeg has the nice coastal notes I love with citrus to balance it out.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rift485 wrote:
Ok, here are the options I have to compare in my current collection. Any thoughts on which would best exhibit peat and which would best exhibit smoke so I can test side by side?

Talisker 10
Talisker Storm

Laphraoig Quarter Barrel

Ardbeg 10

Caol Ila Distiller's Edition


I'm tasting the Storm vs the Ardbeg now and the flavors are almost night and day. The Ardbeg really has that medicinal edge to it (I think?) where the Talisker seems more evened out- less medicinal but still smoky (maybe?)

Thanks for the input!



Spot on.

Talisker is Island peat which is quite similar to that on the mainland, it's more smoky compared to.peat from Islam such as in the Ardbeg.

Also, Storm uses rejuvenated casks - stripped and recharred so also gives some smoke.

Also, Storm is so so. Ardbeg is fantastic. Different leagues Smile
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